Columbia Heights News - Main Page Columbia Heights News - Community Forum
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

Foreclosure looms for Allegro
Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8  Next
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Columbia Heights Community Forum Index -> General Discussion
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
broNat



Joined: 05 Jul 2008
Posts: 486
Location: Columbia Heights

PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 6:42 pm    Post subject: Foreclosure looms for Allegro Reply with quote

Foreclosure looms for Allegro

The Allegro Apartments, at 3460 14th Street NW, offer easy access to the Target shopping center, the Columbia Heights Metro Station and Rock Creek Park. On the ground floor is a new restaurant, Thai Tanic II, modeled after a popular Logan Circle spot. Inside are two expansive courtyards, a gym, lounge and underground parking.

http://washington.bizjournals.com/washington/blog/breaking_ground/2009/11/foreclosure_looms_for_allegro.htm
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
jrenaut



Joined: 27 Jan 2007
Posts: 304
Location: Trollville

PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try this link. Yours didn't work, Bronat.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
domrep



Joined: 12 Mar 2008
Posts: 213

PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So what does this mean? They are shutting down the entire apartment complex or what?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
steveg202



Joined: 08 Oct 2007
Posts: 221
Location: 13th - 14th on Irving Street, NW

PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The complex will either have debt written down or a new owner who purchases the complex for less than is currently owed. Either way it allows for lower monthly debt which allows for lower rents to make a profit. All will benefit from a fully leased building.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
broNat



Joined: 05 Jul 2008
Posts: 486
Location: Columbia Heights

PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

According to the full article the property will be auctioned off Nov. 18 by Alex Cooper Auctioneers. The debt owed is $74M and the property is 58% percent leased. The debt was personally guaranteed by the developer and is owed to iStar FM Loans LLC.

All of the larger most speculative projects in Columbia Heights have gone belly up and as looked for public bailout. These same projects were also done with the least about of tranparency, planning and community involvement and were not good community fits.

I remember after finally pushing the developer and the Council Member to hold a community meeting concerning this project, the developer was asked about unit sizes which supported families and affordability. He dismissed these questions saying this project was about his matter of right not what fits the community or community planning efforts. The Council Member's bailout bill this project never got out of committee unlike the View14 bailout. Greed and backroom dealing has produced projects which are less sustainable and financially viable than those with at least some real community input and planning. And points to why the quality housing stock for families is hard to come by.



.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
domrep



Joined: 12 Mar 2008
Posts: 213

PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 10:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

steveg202 wrote:
The complex will either have debt written down or a new owner who purchases the complex for less than is currently owed. Either way it allows for lower monthly debt which allows for lower rents to make a profit. All will benefit from a fully leased building.


Interesting. I believe a suite, or if you want to go old school, an efficiency is $1700 per month. 2 bedroom is $2200. In this economy, that's too expensive, hell I'd argue in any economy that's expensive.

I would seriously consider a move there if they lowered rent prices. I really would. The complex is beautiful, it has everything you need, but it's just too damn expensive.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
GforGood



Joined: 11 Jul 2006
Posts: 606

PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"All of the larger most speculative projects in Columbia Heights have gone belly up and as looked for public bailout."

Which ones are you talking about?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
broNat



Joined: 05 Jul 2008
Posts: 486
Location: Columbia Heights

PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Allegro at the old Giant site.
View14 at 14th & Florida
Empty lot on 14th between Chapin & Belmont.


GforGood wrote:
"All of the larger most speculative projects in Columbia Heights have gone belly up and as looked for public bailout."

Which ones are you talking about?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
GforGood



Joined: 11 Jul 2006
Posts: 606

PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So how's that "all" (unless you have a good definition of "most speculative")?

Second, have View 14 and "the emply lot" thing sought "public bailout"? Not saying they haven't, just haven't seen any news stories on those ones.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
broNat



Joined: 05 Jul 2008
Posts: 486
Location: Columbia Heights

PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 1:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those are all of the larger "most speculative" projects in CH that I know of, there may be others. View 14 got a $5.7M bailout. And legislation was submitted for Allegro, but did not get out of committee. And the lot did not get a bailout offer that I know of and of course we got a empty ugly lot. I consider the projects speculative because several articles ran before they went in the ground warning of the glut in the market. Both developers dismissed the warnings and even asked for zoning waivers to expand the size of their projects. The same developer that did View14 got over their heads attempting to do these large projects with little to know experience on projects of that size. The all clearly attempted to time the market and make a quick buck flipping condos.

I don't consider Highland Park and Park Place speculative although the developer asked for a bailout having attempted to time the market. My point is that projects done via a transparent community involvement process are doing better that projects done via traditional political dealing. Or projects done in more of an "equitable development" model are doing better in CH than bubble driven projects.



GforGood wrote:
So how's that "all" (unless you have a good definition of "most speculative")?

Second, have View 14 and "the emply lot" thing sought "public bailout"? Not saying they haven't, just haven't seen any news stories on those ones.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
New2CH



Joined: 26 Feb 2006
Posts: 652
Location: Park Road

PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 2:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Call me crazy, but I would put the more reasonable (and fact-supported) formulation as, projects that had the bad luck to be started, or maybe just barely completed, during the biggest credit crunch combined with the biggest nation-wide real estate bust of our lifetime, are, unsurprisingly, experiencing the same misfortune as a large percentage of development projects all across the country, regardless of whatever BroNat's latest conspiracy theory is. Ignoring that reality is, at best, disingenuous.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
broNat



Joined: 05 Jul 2008
Posts: 486
Location: Columbia Heights

PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bad luck applies more to projects like Ellwood Thompson and local retailers and small businesses. These guy played a speculative political and community development hand having a good understanding of the risks.

New2CH wrote:
Call me crazy, but I would put the more reasonable (and fact-supported) formulation as, projects that had the bad luck to be started, or maybe just barely completed, during the biggest credit crunch combined with the biggest nation-wide real estate bust of our lifetime, are, unsurprisingly, experiencing the same misfortune as a large percentage of development projects all across the country, regardless of whatever BroNat's latest conspiracy theory is. Ignoring that reality is, at best, disingenuous.


Last edited by broNat on Mon Nov 09, 2009 9:46 am; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
New2CH



Joined: 26 Feb 2006
Posts: 652
Location: Park Road

PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BroNat, you may do your homework, I'll grant you that, but until you stop completely fabricating lies when it suits you (aka the wine bar "cabal"), why should anyone believe ANYTHING you say? Unfortunately, you've undermined your own credibility here, so it's impossible to know when you are telling the truth, as you sometimes do, or just fabricate something based on nothing but your own assumptions rather than facts, which you've also PROVEN to do on multiple occasions. It's kind of a shame. And I simply can't take ANY argument seriously that doesn't at least ACKNOWLEDGE the indisputable nation-wide economic, capital, and real estate crisis as part of the issue with what is happening with these projects. It may not be the WHOLE story, sure, but to ignore it, once again, undermines your credibility.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
broNat



Joined: 05 Jul 2008
Posts: 486
Location: Columbia Heights

PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 10:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As usual, rather than face the fundamental issues being raised, put the messenger on trial. The cause of greater transparency and appropriate and honest community involvement in such issues is worth unfounded attacks on my credibility. I would only suggest you do your homework before jumping in as someone elses foil.


New2CH wrote:
BroNat, you may do your homework, I'll grant you that, but until you stop completely fabricating lies when it suits you (aka the wine bar "cabal"), why should anyone believe ANYTHING you say? Unfortunately, you've undermined your own credibility here, so it's impossible to know when you are telling the truth, as you sometimes do, or just fabricate something based on nothing but your own assumptions rather than facts, which you've also PROVEN to do on multiple occasions. It's kind of a shame. And I simply can't take ANY argument seriously that doesn't at least ACKNOWLEDGE the indisputable nation-wide economic, capital, and real estate crisis as part of the issue with what is happening with these projects. It may not be the WHOLE story, sure, but to ignore it, once again, undermines your credibility.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
ma1924



Joined: 18 Jan 2009
Posts: 15

PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BroNat, so verbose, so many ten dollar words which at times come across as a convoluted mess. Just curious as to your education. Product of DC public schools?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Columbia Heights Community Forum Index -> General Discussion All times are GMT - 4 Hours
Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8  Next
Page 1 of 8

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group